Atheist vs Christian vs Spiritualist: The Paperclip Problem That Exposes Religion!

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Monday, 29 September 2025 - 3 hours 22 minutes

Are We Living Through the BIGGEST Crisis of Purpose & Meaning in History?

3 in 5 young Americans believe that their life lacks purpose. This isn’t just a statistic, it’s a silent epidemic reshaping mental health, identity and future...So, how do we fix it?

In this DOAC debate, Greg Koukl (Christian), Alex O’Connor (atheist), and Dr K (psychiatrist) explore why so many feel lost, whether God is the answer, how death anxiety drives our search for meaning, and how YOU can find direction…today. 

This isn’t just a discussion. It’s a confrontation with life’s hardest challenge: finding meaning, and how faith, reason, and spirituality compete to fill the void.

Greg Koukl is a Christian apologist, speaker, and founder of Stand to Reason, Alex O’Connor is a philosopher, writer, and host of the Cosmic Skeptic channel, and Dr K, is a Harvard-trained psychiatrist, mental health educator, and co-founder of Healthy Gamer. 

Together, they discuss: 

◼️If God gave you a purpose…what does that actually mean?

◼️Why “do what makes you happy” is terrible advice for finding meaning

◼️How comfort is quietly killing your sense of purpose

◼️The shocking truth about modern loneliness and identity loss

◼️The “paperclip problem” that exposes religion

(00:00) Intro
(02:27) Atheist vs Christian vs Spiritualist
(05:24) What Is Purpose?
(12:56) Is Meaning Necessary?
(17:24) What's the Point of This Conversation?
(18:53) Can Humanity Find Its Purpose?
(36:55) Is It Important to Be Curious About God?
(42:14) Is Modern Society the Reason for a Meaning Crisis?
(42:46) What Is Meaning and Why Do People Feel the Lack of It?
(51:20) The Problem of Consciousness
(1:06:56) How to Find Meaning
(1:25:45) Is Agnosticism the Truth?
(1:35:13) Ads
(1:36:11) Do We Each Have a Specific Purpose or Is It Self-Chosen?
(1:39:59) Dharma and Karma
(1:48:28) Can We Have a Fulfilling Life Without a Transcendent Purpose?
(2:20:02) Ads
(2:22:23) How to Create a Meaningful Life as an Agnostic
(2:40:05) Is Alex on His Way to Getting Closer to God?
(2:51:59) How to Remove the Feeling of Being Lost in Life
(3:05:23) What to Do When You Feel Stuck
(3:11:27) Closing Thoughts

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