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Thursday, 19 June 2025 - 2 hours 29 minutes

Has feminism betrayed the very women it promised to empower? Deborah France-White, Louise Perry, and Erica Komisar go head-to-head on the hidden costs of sexual freedom. 

Deborah Frances-White is a bestselling author and host of The Guilty Feminist podcast, Louise Perry is a journalist and author of The Case Against the Sexual Revolution, and Erica Komisar is a clinical social worker, psychoanalyst, and author of books such as, ‘Chicken Little the Sky Isn't Falling: Raising Resilient Adolescents in the New Age of Anxiety’. 

In this heated debate, they discuss:

• What casual sex is really doing to women. 

• Why relationships are declining.

• The parenting crisis that no one’s talking about.

• Why fewer people are having children.

• How modern dating is affecting female self-worth.

  
  

  00:00 Intro
  02:29 Introducing the Panel
  03:43 What Is the Sexual Revolution?
  10:16 Autonomy, Freedom, and Agency as a Byproduct of the Sexual Revolution
  15:03 Casual Sex and Hookup Culture
  31:02 One Sexual Partner for Life
  33:15 Age of Marriage Increasing Over Time
  33:55 Emotional Consequences of Sex
  39:51 Feminists Typically Have Had Trauma
  43:28 Agency as a Personality Trait
  47:42 Sex Education in Schools
  49:34 Female Pleasure
  51:27 Is Sexual Freedom Making Us Happy?
  53:51 Feeling Bullied by the Narrative of Freedom
  57:44 Ads
  59:47 Manosphere and Tradwives
  01:07:10 Do Women Want Men to Be Providers?
  01:08:01 Children and Gender Roles
  01:12:23 Poor Mothers Looking After Children
  01:18:32 The Role Feminism Has Had on Motherhood
  01:22:35 Would Steven Take 3 Years Off Work to Raise Children?
  01:23:43 Men and Women's Nurturing Hormones
  01:28:12 We Can't Be Neutral About Policies
  01:30:39 The Narrative That Having Children Is Miserable
  01:32:27 Female Guilt
  01:33:35 Parenthood and Narcissism
  01:41:42 Birth Rates Declining
  01:43:06 Traditional Gender Roles
  01:48:44 Demonizing Feminism
  01:52:53 Link Between Political Stance and Number of Children
  01:57:03 Ads
  01:58:48 Pornography
  02:06:17 Masculine Virtues
  02:11:31 Do Boys and Girls Need to Be Parented Differently?
  02:13:00 Chivalry
  02:14:05 Evolutionary Differences
  02:19:20 Quotas in Education
  02:21:17 Final Thoughts

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